News announcement via Discord

Starting with the next reboot, currently scheduled for May 15th, we'll be beginning a process of redesigning the current relic system.

As part of this redesign, after the May 15th reboot, relics will stop spawning. Relics that currently exist from before that time will have a 30-day expiration period, 
after which they will also disappear. After this 30-day timer, relic slots will also disappear from gear. This is intended to be a grace period for players to make 
adjustments to their equipment.

We'll also be removing relics from loot pools on daily streaks and various other activities that have awarded them in the past. These will be replaced with other useful 
items in the meantime.

Relics that were earned through RU purchase will be transformed into a token on your 'score token' output until new versions are rolled out after the redesign.

A balance pass will be made during the coming weeks to adjust for the removal of relics, specifically in regards to HP

PKTALK Discussion

[16:15:18] [TALK C] Reacher: 'its a complete disrespect of peoples time and effort'
[16:15:26] [TALK C] Trayvon: '^^'
[16:15:34] [TALK C] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'Don't play then?'
[16:15:39] [TALK C] Trayvon: 'wow'
[16:15:42] [TALK C] Reacher: 'probably'
[16:15:44] [TALK C] Safeguard: 'oof'
[16:15:48] [TALK C] Riya: 'forget all the time we put in'
[16:15:56] [TALK C] Safeguard: 'and the gold spent'
[16:15:58] [TALK C] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'I mean if you aren't having fun playing a game, why are you playing it?'
[16:15:59] [TALK C] Kiloph: 'that is a really shitty line to take'
[16:15:59] [TALK C] Riya: 'dont play then. which immortal are you'
[16:16:09] [TALK C] Reacher: 'the relic system and how it is, was perfect'
[16:16:31] [TALK C] Reacher: 'everyone had access to it. no one was left out. everyone felt slightly more powerful. it takes time to get there'
[16:16:32] [TALK C] Riya: 'way to just shit on the people who keep this game goin'
[16:16:47] [TALK ALL] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'Well from a design perspective it is a concept known as borrowed power.'
[16:17:08] [TALK ALL] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'and it isn't as though we just thanos snapped them forever.'
[16:17:13] [TALK C] Reacher: 'this isnt a seasonal game dude'
[16:17:26] [TALK C] Riya: 'that dont play then comment was disrespectful '
[16:17:31] [TALK ALL] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'Aren't you the one who kept saying to bring back seasonal passes?'
[16:17:34] [TALK C] Ilsa: 'well its very short notice.  I just bought a relic last night for 700k that i will now never use'
[16:18:19] [TALK C] Trayvon: 'sac it you might get the mark of disrespect'
[16:18:23] [TALK C] Reacher: 'this should have been announced along time ago'
[16:18:30] [TALK C] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'Disrespectful?'
[16:18:33] [TALK C] Rhenyc: 'yeah i understand wanting to rework the system, but don't just go 30 days and then we will have the system in place soon TM'
[16:18:38] [TALK C] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'I recall Alyce himself saying the same thing.'
[16:18:58] [TALK C] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'That this game wouldn't be perpetually designed for the 10 people playing it but the thousands we want to play it.'
[16:18:59] [TALK C] Reacher: 'doesnt even play his own game'
[16:19:03] [TALK C] Riya: 'tellin people dont play, and youre an immortal'
[16:19:06] [TALK C] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'We are also open and actively listening to feedback.'
[16:19:30] [TALK C] Kiloph: 'the knee jerk then dont play response doesnt make it seem very open to feedback'
[16:19:34] [TALK C] Reacher: 'you just told us dont play if we dont like it'
[16:19:36] [TALK C] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'So if you want to make a game that is all yours and everything you specfically want it to be, go do that.'
[16:19:48] [TALK ALL] A frighteningly powerful voice: 'I'm sorry we can't make an MM that each of you individually like.'
[16:19:49] [TALK C] Kiloph: 'im not complaining about the changes or anything, but that's wild'
[16:19:49] [TALK C] Rhenyc: 'yeah being told to just stop playing is just a you are not the people we want'
[16:19:53] [TALK C] Riya: 'which immortal are you'
[16:20:02] [TALK C] Trayvon: '^^'
[16:20:06] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'Its me obviously'
[16:20:21] [TALK C] Ezekail: 'it wasn't obvious, thats why they asked.'
[16:20:23] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'The person who has been there with Tony, when he, as OWNER, has told you himself'
[16:20:41] [TALK C] Reacher: 'i didnt see shit'
[16:20:49] [TALK C] Reacher: 'because nothing is documented on the discord'
[16:21:00] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'but if you don't want to have your input and feedback respected'
[16:21:08] [TALK C] Reacher: 'nothing about future plans'
[16:21:08] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'we can just stop boterhing and move on with our plans more hastily.'
[16:21:21] [TALK C] Kiloph: 'then dont play'
[16:21:34] [TALK C] Saerka: 'if this is a long term goal, i don't understand why the system can't phase itself out over the course of the next year?'
[16:21:38] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'I just don't get wbhat will ever be enough?'
[16:21:52] [TALK C] Trayvon: 'cast 'haste' destruction of relics'
[16:22:00] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'Like, we decide to do this thing, we decide to give you over a month to adjust, give us feedback, allow us to redesign systems'
[16:22:02] [TALK C] Reacher: 'i havent seen a single person complain about relics since ive been back'
[16:22:06] [TALK C] Kiloph: 'im neutral to the changes though i do have some concerns, but how is that respecting feedback'
[16:22:28] [TALK C] Kiloph: 'obviously people are going to be upset about a huge change like this'
[16:22:28] [TALK C] Karoshi: 'I'm actually asking here'
[16:22:39] [TALK C] Saerka: 'the knee-jerk reaction is 30 days isn't really a lot of time to rebalance your entire toon. Like sure I'll agree the HP stacking is getting out of control, but what's preventing us from just slowling intergrating the new system while the old gear dies out?'
[16:22:45] [TALK C] Kiloph: 'telling them the equivalent of f off and dont play if you dont like it is just bizarre to me'
[16:22:47] [TALK C] Rhenyc: 'like i said i am down for redesigning the sysytem just this leave a massive void that everytone is used to'
[16:23:06] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'It isn't leaving a massive void?'
[16:23:14] [TALK C] Briony: 'a month is very short, we are used to a lot more notice'
[16:23:16] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'The whole game's balance is being redone'
[16:23:31] [TALK C] Reacher: 'you havent even started the phase 2 of it?'
[16:23:39] [TALK C] Halofir: 'as long as this new system replaces the hundreds of hp amd sp we are all going to lose'
[16:23:43] [TALK C] Reacher: 'phase 1, remove all, phase 2? err we need feedback'
[16:23:51] [TALK C] Rhenyc: 'so the balance pass will be done within a month?'
[16:24:04] [TALK C] Trayvon: 'selling relics for cheap'
[16:24:06] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'We're not going to cut your HP by 2k and leave everything the same...'
[16:24:08] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'wtf?'
[16:24:10] [TALK C] Halofir: 'you forgot phase 3: profit'
[16:24:10] [TALK C] Riya: 'balance pass is a stopgap'
[16:24:50] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'the last paragraph 'A balance pass will be made during the coming weeks to adjust for the removal of relics, specifically in regards to HP stacking''
[16:25:00] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'The only thing relics are primarily used for right now is getting to 4.2k hp'
[16:25:05] [TALK C] Reacher: 'are you raising our natural hp?'
[16:25:18] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'Why do you need 4.2k Hp?'
[16:25:25] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'Nukes'
[16:25:25] [TALK C] Reacher: 'you tank the next ray'
[16:25:27] [TALK C] Halofir: 'racial maxes going up?'
[16:25:37] [TALK C] Adelfin: 'Hard disagree, healing-others-prcnt, stats. Relics fill gaps in classpath or boost your role'
[16:25:40] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'It is the only system constraint in place, that we have... 4.2k HP, you can be and do literally anything in this game'
[16:25:46] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'as long as you hit 4.2k hp'
[16:25:47] [TALK C] Adelfin: 'HP is the last thing I look for on relics'
[16:25:49] [TALK C] Riya: 'vanguard i stack an extra 2500 hp to tank'
[16:25:52] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'which you then have to deal with a shuit ton of relics to get to'
[16:25:54] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'thats not fun'
[16:26:08] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'so what if shit just didn't do 4k damage?'
[16:26:13] [TALK C] Reacher: 'so you want us to struggle to put a form together in a clearly blooming game and then struggle to do content?'
[16:26:18] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'and you didn't need 4.2k hp from borrowed power'
[16:26:24] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'but relics did cool and interesting shit?'
[16:26:30] [TALK C] Saerka: 'well, honestly, if we can do something to remove all the absurd requirements on the new relics, and half of them are actually useful, it'll probably be worth it.'
[16:26:35] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'so it wasn't just about 'well how do i hit 4.2k hp and then play with this''
[16:26:39] [TALK C] Riya: 'playerbase id gonna take a blow over this, thats my feedback '
[16:26:49] [TALK C] Trayvon: '^^'
[16:26:58] [TALK C] Halofir: 'get rid of neverbeen equipment too'
[16:27:03] [TALK C] Reacher: 'but 1000s more are coming riya'
[16:27:03] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'I'd like to personally'
[16:27:29] [TALK C] Rhenyc: 'the feedback i can give is that be very open with the balance process'
[16:27:45] [TALK C] Riya: 'this makes no sense in my opinion its basically sayin screw you and the time you put in to get to where you are '
[16:27:45] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'I mean personally I'd be excited'
[16:27:53] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'Ya'll might be super powerful for a bout a week or so but'
[16:27:58] [TALK C] Reacher: 'JuSt DoNt PlAy'
[16:28:09] [TALK C] Riya: 'some people relic stacked for damage,  some for hp, some for healing others'
[16:28:19] [TALK C] Halofir: 'man the people who paid a lot of gold for a lot of relics should be mad too'
[16:28:19] [TALK C] Reacher: 'relics were more than hp and you know it'
[16:28:21] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'Well I can't make everyone happy and I don't know what else to tell you?'
[16:28:25] [TALK C] Trayvon: 'yep, some people built there builds around utility'
[16:28:28] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'Just because some people like something, doesn't mean others do.'
[16:28:43] [TALK C] Halofir: 'you cant make anyone happy with this news lol'
[16:28:44] [TALK ALL] Karoshi: 'Just because 1 person likes the way something is, doesn't mean its right, or good, or fun for a majority of people.'
[16:28:48] [TALK C] Riya: 'i dont see many people applauding this, so whats that tell you'
[16:28:55] [TALK C] Saerka: 'i can tell you what you shouldn't do, and that's alienate around 4% of your playerbase.'
[16:28:56] [TALK C] Reacher: '1 person?'
[16:29:04] [TALK C] Reacher: 'it sounds like 1 person DOESNT like the way it is'
[16:29:13] [TALK C] Karoshi: 'Well I've gotten more tells applauding this than I've seen people talking in Talk C'
[16:29:16] [TALK C] Nister: 'i love relics and yet also can get where changes could be good to the system- i dont think the best change is removal, but i think only time can tell if before or after relics is better'
[16:29:23] [TALK C] Trayvon: 'id love proof of this'
[16:29:29] [TALK C] Reacher: 'yea, calling bs'
[16:29:32] [TALK C] Karoshi: 'I'd love to not be homeless'
[16:29:35] [TALK C] Riya: 'and said one person probably isnt a actual player but someone who pops in now and then'
[16:29:38] [TALK C] Karoshi: 'We all want things we can't have'